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Possible relationship between zero and changes of state in the sequence

Hi everyone. I’ve been observing different kinds of behavior in roulette for quite some time, and I wanted to share one of the lines of study I’ve been following to see whether anyone has noticed something similar or has any observations that might relate to it.

My interest is not so much in zero as an isolated number, nor in simply trying to predict when it will appear. What interests me more is the context that develops before zero appears and what happens to that context afterward.

I’ve been noticing that, before some zero hits, certain conditions at the table may begin to show some degree of concentration, imbalance, or relationship with one another. After zero appears, those same relationships do not always continue in the same way: some remain, some weaken, some reverse, and others seem to reorganize into a different configuration.

Because of that, I’ve started to think of zero more as a reference point within a sequence than as a signal by itself.

The question I’m trying to study is this: does zero simply appear in the middle of a dynamic that was already developing, or are there certain contexts in which its appearance occurs close to a transition from one state to another?

I’m not looking at only one specific streak or one single characteristic. I’m more interested in seeing how several conditions interact at the same time within the same stretch of play, and whether certain configurations tend to appear again under similar circumstances.

I also want to make it clear that, for now, I consider this an observation under study, not a rule or a predictive claim. What interests me is precisely to see which parts remain consistent as the sample grows, which parts disappear, and which relationships may actually be meaningful.

Also, the behavior around zero is only one of the lines I’ve been following. During the process, other relationships between sequences have started to appear, and some of them seem to connect with one another. A few have even made me reconsider how I was interpreting certain behaviors at the beginning.

If anyone has observed something similar—whether around zero or at other points in a sequence—or remembers any concept, study, analytical method, or personal experience that might be related, I’d be very interested to hear it. The idea is to broaden the perspective and compare observations, because some connections may become clearer when several phenomena are considered together rather than in isolation.

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Sample growing just means you kept watching. That's all that happened

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yep

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I’m not saying 30,000 spins prove anything just because there are a lot of them. My point is that I identified certain relationships early on, and as the sample kept growing, those same relationships continued to appear. That’s what I’m trying to measure properly now.

For me, the important question is not whether the sample got bigger, but whether the same structures keep returning as more data is added. If they do, then the reasonable next step is to quantify them and test how far they actually hold.

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how many spins r we talking

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Calculo que el material acumulado ronda los 30.000 giros. Lo que realmente me llamó la atención fue la regularidad con la que ciertos comportamientos y relaciones volvieron a presentarse bajo condiciones similares. Tengo bastante material y varias relaciones que considero especialmente llamativas; precisamente por eso he seguido investigándolo durante tanto tiempo. Ahora estoy organizando todo para poder analizarlo de una forma más clara, estructurada y cuantificable. No lo planteo como una regla cerrada ni como una predicción automática, pero sí creo que hay elementos suficientemente consistentes como para que merezcan un análisis serio y más profundo.

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30k spins is a lot of free time

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Everyone chooses how to invest their time based on their own interests, circumstances, and priorities. If 30,000 spins seem like “too much free time” to some, to others they simply represent the amount of time required to conduct a serious analysis. Not everyone is in a position to dedicate that level of effort, some prefer to contribute to the analysis, while others simply criticize the effort of those who do.

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Sorry, my previous comment was accidentally posted in Spanish. Here it is again in English:

I estimate that the accumulated material is around 30,000 spins. What really caught my attention was the regularity with which certain behaviors and relationships kept appearing under similar conditions. I have a considerable amount of material and several relationships that I find particularly striking, which is precisely why I have continued investigating this for so long. I am now organizing everything so I can analyze it in a clearer, more structured, and quantifiable way. I am not presenting it as a fixed rule or as an automatic prediction, but I do believe there are elements consistent enough to deserve serious and deeper analysis.

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Zero’s a marker in the sequence, not what causes the next thing. On a fair wheel it doesn’t change the next spin’s odds. I saw one side of the layout give way right after zero and figured it meant a shift, but the same change came after other numbers too. That’s where I get cautious about tying it to zero.

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I understand your point. I’m not saying that zero causes what happens next or that it changes the probability of the next spin. What I’m looking at is something different: whether zero tends to appear at certain points within a sequence, and whether certain structures repeatedly show up around it.

Since zero falls outside red/black, odd/even, and high/low, I’m treating it as a different kind of reference point. I already have several records where certain formations repeat before or after zero appears, so I’m interested in seeing whether anyone else has noticed something similar.

I’m not claiming it is a rule. I’m comparing the data to see whether that relationship actually holds up.

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Zero's just a number

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Zero isn't a transition marker at all. What exactly counts as a "state" in your notes?

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Fair question. I should clarify one thing first: I’m not claiming that zero is a transition marker, nor that zero causes a change in the sequence. That would be a much stronger claim than what I’m actually investigating.

By “state,” I mean the combination of several observable conditions within a given stretch of the sequence, rather than any single pattern by itself. For example, the relative balance or imbalance of certain categories, the presence and length of particular runs or repetitions, and how several of those conditions occur together at that point.

What I’m interested in is comparing the configuration that exists before a zero with the one that develops afterward, and then asking whether similar changes occur just as often around ordinary non-zero reference points.

If the same type of change appears with similar frequency around other reference points, then zero has no special significance in that respect. If a consistent difference remains after applying the same criteria to both, then that difference would be worth studying more closely.

So at this stage, zero is a reference point in the analysis, not a presumed cause or confirmed transition marker.

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transition huh

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zero as a marker not a trigger imo, each spin is independent so surrounding patterns dont change whats next. i tracked 200 once, saw shifts near zero but when i split into shorter chunks it fell apart. set conditions first, look at fixed windows before and after every spin, use non-zero as controls

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Nope, zero's just a number.

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Riveting

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The wheel dont read essays

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Sample grows off what, a notebook?

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The sample isn’t based on one notebook or a handful of isolated sessions. I’ve been collecting material from different tables, sessions, screenshots, videos and result histories over time, then comparing the same variables across those records. There are several recurring relationships that stood out enough for me to keep documenting them. I’m now organizing the full dataset so I can measure how often those conditions actually repeat and how stable they are across different samples.

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wish i had the patience to log any of this, mine are on bar napkins i throw out

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Wish this was my notebook. I just stare at the wheel and pretend i saw it coming

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every time i tracked this i ended up with a notebook full of nothing, zero just lands whenever it wants

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understand what you mean, but I should clarify that I’m not starting from zero on this. I already have a fair amount of observations and recorded cases behind the idea.

I’m not trying to use zero to predict when it will land. What I’ve been doing is comparing the structure around it: how several conditions behave before and after, and whether certain relationships appear repeatedly under similar circumstances.

At this point, what I’m mainly looking for is independent material that can help me compare, challenge, or refine what I already have.

So if anyone has tracked something similar, or has data, methods, examples, or even a different interpretation that could be compared with mine, I’d be very interested to see it.

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